After having Opening Day rained out and Sunday Night Baseball rained out, there’s been way too much rain for the first week of the baseball season. I’m usually nervous about the Yankees going to Toronto where they haven’t experienced much success of late, but with a dome and start times you can count on, going to play the Blue Jays right now isn’t the worst thing.

With the Yankees and Blue Jays picking up their heated rivalry from last season in Toronto, Tom Dakers of Bluebird Banter joined me to talk about the Blue Jays’ playoff loss in the ALCS, trading away the farm system for a season that didn’t end with a World Series and what will happen with Jose Bautista’s contract situation.

Keefe: The last time we talked, the Yankees and Blue Jays had seven games left against each other in September. Things didn’t go the way I hoped. The Blue Jays beat up on the Yankees down the stretch the way they beat up on the entire league from the end of July on and went on to win the division.

In the playoffs, the Blue Jays fought back from a 2-0 deficit to beat the the Rangers in six games, but ended up losing in six games in the ALCS to the eventual champion Royals.

Were you devastated by the Blue Jays’ ALCS loss or were you just happy that they were back in the playoffs for the first time since 1993?

Dakers: Well, I’d say a little from column A and a little from column B.  I had tickets and a hotel room for the World Series games in Toronto. I was sad for a few days. But, taking the long view, the playoffs were great fun. I enjoyed almost every minute, minus some terrible strike calls in the last inning of the final game (I can’t wait for our robot overlords to take over the job of the home plate umpire).

It has been far too long since we had playoff baseball in Toronto, so I’m not going to complain about it.

Keefe: To make that run at the playoffs, the Blue Jays made a barrage of trades that included trading a combined 12 players for David Price, Troy Tulowitzki, LaTroy Hawkins, Mark Lowe and Ben Revere. Price is now on the Red Sox, Hawkins retied, Lowe is on the Tigers and Revere is on the Nationals. The only player remaining from all those deals is Tulowitzki.

Sure, it’s hindsight, but looking back and knowing that the Blue Jays did reach the postseason, but didn’t win the World Series, would you still make all those deals?

Dakers: Oh, I wouldn’t have made the trade for Lowe, but beyond that, I’d make the other trades. Tulowitzki hasn’t exactly performed, at least offensively, the way we’d like, but Jose Reyes’ range had disappeared. And he made a couple of bad errors to lose us games. So really, the team needed to find a way to get rid of his contract. Tulo, while he hasn’t hit great, at least can play short.

Price seemed to bring the team clubhouse together. It’s too bad that we re-sign him, but then long term contracts for starters in their 30’s never seem to end well.

Keefe: It was enjoyable to watch David Price get lit up in his Fenway Park debut (along with Craig Kimbrel), but I did want to see Price pitch on Sunday in Toronto. The Blue Jays will have plenty of chances to face Price this season, but it would have been special to watch him try to navigate his way through the top of the Blue Jays’ order in the opening weekend in Toronto in his first trip back there.

I don’t think anyone can blame Price for taking the deal he did since it’s absurd for anyone to be paid $1 million per start let alone someone who isn’t the best pitcher in the league. Here’s to hoping Price fades like CC Sabathia and then choose not to opt out after 2018 and the Red Sox are on the hook for all of the $217 million of his deal.

Price made 11 regular-season starts for the Blue Jays and went 9-1 with a 2.30 ERA, but went on to give up 16 earned runs in 23 1/3 innings in the playoffs. How will you remember the short-lived David Price era in Toronto?

Dakers: I guess what I’ll remember most is how much he seemed to enjoy being in Toronto. He was great on the days he started, but he was head cheerleader on the days he didn’t start. He seemed to enjoy his teammates and they seemed to like him. Alex Anthopoulos said he was the best guy he’s ever seen in the clubhouse. I’m not sure how much that is really worth, but it is fun to like the players you are cheering.

Of course, now that he’s a Red Sox he’s dead to me.

Keefe: At the beginning of spring training, Jose Bautista made headlines for supposed “contract demands” that have been reported in the five-year, $150 million range or close to that amount of years and dollars. Bautista is 35 right now and will be 36 when next seasons starts, so a five-year deal at that cost would make him a 40-year-old player earning somewhere near $30 million.

What do you think of Bautista’s “demands” and what would you give him?

Dakers: I think players always ask for more than they expect to get, at the start of negotiations. Bautista has been the face of the team, for so long, that I would overpay for him, but not to the level that Jose is suggesting.

Bautista is going to have to be moved out of right field soon. His range isn’t what you would like in right anymore (though it is fun watching him throw runners out at the plate).

Bautista has been doing a lot of work to keep himself in shape and, he feels, that it will keep him a valuable player into his early 40’s. I have my doubt about it, but if it were up to me, I’d ask Jose to share the risk of a long term deal. I’d offer something like $25 million a year for two years (and I’d likely go up from there is he insisted) and then a series of team options, with high enough buy outs to make Jose happy, for the next 3 years.

Jose’s eye at the plate and his power, does make him a candidate to continue to bring value for at least the next couple of seasons.

Keefe: Also, what do you think of all the preseason bat flip talk?

Dakers: I think baseball is a game, and I think players should have fun. The bat flip in the playoff game came after a very emotionally draining inning. It seemed like the Jays were going to lose series on, what might be. the strangest play I’ve ever seen. Then three errors in the bottom of the inning is something that I’m almost sure I’ve never seen before too. The Bautista home run and the bat flip seemed to release of the emotions of that weird inning.

I think the “no fun” police should learn to relax. The line the fun police use is “he’s showing up the pitcher”. Well, in this case the pitcher just lost the series for his team. If he’s more worried about someone “showing him up” than about losing the series, aren’t his priorities messed up. Shouldn’t he be more worried about winning for his team than something that’s all about him?

Keefe: On July 28 of last season, the Blue Jays trailed the Yankees by eight games in the AL East. Just 15 days later on Aug. 12, they led the division by a 1/2 game, and from Aug. 23 on, they were in first place.

The Blue Jays still have a vaunted lineup and maybe the best offense in baseball. Outside of the departure of Price, their rotation is still intact with new ace Marcus Stroman having more experience under his belt. In what should be a clustered AL East, you could make the case for any of the five teams winning it this season, and the Blue Jays will likely be right there again five months from now.

Coming off their first postseason appearance in 22 years, what are your expectations for the Blue Jays this season?

Dakers: I expect them to, at least, be in the race for the playoffs. I expect the Jays will score a ton of runs (though the offense is off to a slow start). I’m hoping the pitching holds together well enough to keep the team winning.

After losing in miserable fashion in miserable weather on Opening Day at Yankee Stadium, the Yankees bounced back to win the final two games of the series against the Astros. Now the Yankees leave cold New York for even colder Detroit where there’s snow in the forecast at Comerica Park.

With the Yankees in Detroit for a three-game series, Rob Rogacki of Bless You Boys joined me to talk about the contracts for Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera, the free-agent spending on Justin Upton and Jordan Zimmerman and if the Tigers will return to the postseason.

Keefe: When I looked at the Tigers’ payroll for this season and $198 million, I was surprised when you consider they have lost or traded Max Scherzer, David Price, Prince Fielder and Yoenis Cespedes in the last couple years. But I admire what Mike Ilitch does with the Tigers and his willingness to spend and overspend his money to try and bring in the best players to win a championship for Detroit. Let’s take a look at some of that money.

Justin Verlander had a no-hitter going on Opening Day before eventually earning a no-decision. Verlander is coming off of an injury-plagued 20-start season last year, which came after his worst season (4.54 ERA) since 2008. He just turned 33 years old and is owed $28 million this season, $28 million in 2017, $28 million in 2018, $28 million in 2019 and a $20 million vesting option in 2020.

After watching what CC Sabathia has become over the last three years after he was a dominant ace for so long, I can relate to what Tigers fans are either going through or inevitably going to go through with Verlander.

Were you in favor of the seven-year, $180 million extension he signed three years ago?

Rogacki: There is always a certain level of concern when locking up a player for that long, especially when the Tigers were a couple years from the contract even kicking in when he initially signed the deal. However, Verlander was the best pitcher in baseball when he signed the deal, and keeping a Hall of Fame caliber player in Detroit for his entire career means more to this city than just his on-field performance.

While Verlander’s recent down-turn makes his $28 million price tag look like a payroll anchor, it hasn’t stopped Mike Ilitch from continuing to spend on payroll. I have been advocating for a couple years now that Verlander’s struggles were injury-related, and his strong finish to 2015 (and sharp debut in 2016) are reinforcing that belief. He may not be the best pitcher in baseball anymore, but Verlander is still capable of going toe-to-toe with anyone on his best day.

I’m still not sure what to expect from this Tigers team, but their first three games have been promising. We know that they will hit, especially if Victor Martinez remains as healthy as he looks so far. When healthy, this team is the most talented club in the division.

That’s the key, though. Health. The Tigers have struggled with injuries over the past couple years, and lost Victor Martinez, Miguel Cabrera, Anibal Sanchez, and Justin Verlander to the disabled list at times last season. All four are crucial to the Tigers’ chances this season, and if they falter again, this team could once again find itself looking up at the Royals in the AL Central.

I said that the Tigers would go 85-77 on our site a week ago, and haven’t seen enough to change that prediction yet.

Keefe: When it comes to Miguel Cabrera, we’re talking about even more money. He’s owed $28 million this season and next, $30 million from 2018-2 and $32 million in in 2022-23 with $30 million club options in 2024 and 2025.

Cabrera has been the best hitter of this generation and has led the league in hitting in four of the last five years, including last year. When the Tigers signed Cabrera to the eight-year, $248 million extension two years ago, I agreed with it and I still do. If Robinson Cano could get $240 million then Cabrera is worth double that. And if you’re not going to pay Miguel Cabrera, who are you going to pay?

What were and are your thoughts on the Cabrera deal?

Rogacki: Like you said, if you’re going to give any player in the game $240 million, handing that money to one of the best hitters in our generation seems like a safe bet. Cabrera has stayed productive through a few injury-riddled seasons recently, but is coming off of his first healthy offseason since 2012-2013. As we saw on Friday, he is still one of the elite contact and power hitters in the game, capable of driving the ball to all fields. His contract is somewhat of a necessary evil, but Tigers fans have embraced him as their own, and he will be revered for decades, whether or not he eventually brings home a championship.

Keefe: Five years ago, it looked like Justin Upton might be the best young player in baseball. He hasn’t kept up that production and has fallen off a bit, but he’s still only 28 years old (he turns 29 in August).

The Tigers gave him a six-year, $132.75 million deal this offseason to be their left fielder and the fill the middle-of-the-order production they lost when they traded Yoenis Cespedes to the Mets.

What were your thoughts on the Upton deal?

Rogacki: Maybe this is a homer-ish answer, but I thought Upton’s contract was the best big-money deal signed last offseason. Not only was he a necessary move for a club that otherwise planned to start Tyler Collins in left field, but the Tigers gave him an opt-out clause after two years, a “get out of jail free” card of sorts for their payroll. While the final numbers (six years, $132.75 million) look gaudy, this will ultimately turn into a two-year, $44 million contract for a slugger in the prime of his career.

Keefe: Also this offseason, the Tigers gave five years and $110 million to Jordan Zimmermann to fill the void in the rotation left by Max Scherzer before last season and by David Price after they traded him to the Blue Jays at last year’s deadline.

Zimmermann has spent his entire seven-year career in the National League. Does giving that much money to someone who has never pitched with regularity in the American League worry you?

Rogacki: Zimmermann’s history in the National League doesn’t worry me as much as his injury history. He is the first person in baseball history to receive a $100 million contract after having Tommy John surgery, and the Tigers don’t have an opt-out clause in his deal to escape that contract.

Luckily, Zimmermann’s deal is relatively modest compared to some of the massive deals that were signed this offseason. He’s a fair margin better than Jeff Samardzija, who signed for $90 million in San Francisco, or Wei-Yin Chen, who got $80 million from the Marlins. If he can stay healthy for the entirety of his deal, the Tigers will be in great shape.

Keefe: Last season was the first since 2010 that the Tigers didn’t make the playoffs and their first losing season (74-87) since 2008. After dominating the AL Central for the last few years, it’s seemingly become the Royals’ division with everyone else jockeying for position behind them.

What are your expectations for the Tigers this season?

Rogacki: I’m still not sure what to expect from this Tigers team, but their first three games have been promising. We know that they will hit, especially if Victor Martinez remains as healthy as he looks so far. When healthy, this team is the most talented club in the division.

That’s the key, though. Health. The Tigers have struggled with injuries over the past couple years, and lost Victor Martinez, Miguel Cabrera, Anibal Sanchez, and Justin Verlander to the disabled list at times last season. All four are crucial to the Tigers’ chances this season, and if they falter again, this team could once again find itself looking up at the Royals in the AL Central.

I said that the Tigers would go 85-77 on our site a week ago, and haven’t seen enough to change that prediction yet.